# Civil Engineering - Surveying - Discussion

Discussion Forum : Surveying - Section 2 (Q.No. 20)

20.

Two hill tops

*A*and*B*20 km apart are intervened by a third top*C*. If the top most contour of the three hill tops are of the same value, state whether the line of sight*AB*Discussion:

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Sumit Purbey said:
2 years ago

According to me, here reciprocal levelling is considered as two hilltops is intervened by the third hilltop. so for large obstruction like this reciprocal levelling is done and this levelling completely eliminates the curvature effect and line of collimation error but refraction is partly left. Due to partly left refraction, it makes the object look higher than what it is actually sine we apply + correction for this. So by this 3rd hill top appear to be raised so LOS passes below hill c.

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Tark Raj Bhatt said:
2 years ago

It's simple.

Due to the curvature of the earth, centre point is raised than the other two so the line of sight AB is below point C.

Due to the curvature of the earth, centre point is raised than the other two so the line of sight AB is below point C.

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Pkota said:
3 years ago

Couldn't understand.

In case the refraction effect taken into account for all hilltops of equal contour level then how can anybody sight at B as it is hidden by C itself.

In case the refraction effect taken into account for all hilltops of equal contour level then how can anybody sight at B as it is hidden by C itself.

Irshad Ahmad said:
4 years ago

For long sights and accurate levelling work, the effects of the curvature of the earth and refraction of the line of sight shall have to be taken into consideration. The effect of curvature is greater than that of refraction, the combined effect causes the points to appear to be lower than they actually are.

In this case distance between point A and B is more than that of Point A & C, the effect of the curvature of the earth and refraction of the line of sight is more in case of A & B compares to A and C, so point B will be lower than C and the line of sight from A to B passes below C.

The Correct answer is option B.

In this case distance between point A and B is more than that of Point A & C, the effect of the curvature of the earth and refraction of the line of sight is more in case of A & B compares to A and C, so point B will be lower than C and the line of sight from A to B passes below C.

The Correct answer is option B.

Shubham P said:
4 years ago

Answer @Akhilesh

Consider it practically, with total correction=Cc+Rc =(-) 26.94m.

This is a correction for point B, means B will be around 27 meters below what we can see without considering hilltop C.

Now if hilltop C is considered, then we can not sight B as C will be in between A&B actual level line.

Consider it practically, with total correction=Cc+Rc =(-) 26.94m.

This is a correction for point B, means B will be around 27 meters below what we can see without considering hilltop C.

Now if hilltop C is considered, then we can not sight B as C will be in between A&B actual level line.

Vishnu said:
4 years ago

Refraction and curvature effects should be considered when distance is above 500 metre (given 20 km).

So, LOS pass below the top of C point.

So, LOS pass below the top of C point.

Akhilesh said:
4 years ago

Hi @Shubham what you said could also be wrong. The combined correction due to refraction and curvature is always negative indicating the value we got is more than the actual due to curvature of earth.

So even if we consider both refraction and curvature; the line of sight should be above C only. The logic we are missing is that if B is sighted from A, the line of sight will be obviously below the hill top. This is because in the given question it is mentioned, the top levels of all 3 hills are same. Now hill C is in between A and B.

In brief, the distance between A and C is less than the distance between A and B. So accordingly, when you sight B it simply indicates that you are sighting relatively lower point than top level of C (the same reason you people told.. due to curvature of earth) so the line of sight will be obviously below C.

So even if we consider both refraction and curvature; the line of sight should be above C only. The logic we are missing is that if B is sighted from A, the line of sight will be obviously below the hill top. This is because in the given question it is mentioned, the top levels of all 3 hills are same. Now hill C is in between A and B.

In brief, the distance between A and C is less than the distance between A and B. So accordingly, when you sight B it simply indicates that you are sighting relatively lower point than top level of C (the same reason you people told.. due to curvature of earth) so the line of sight will be obviously below C.

Shubham said:
5 years ago

Hi. @Sammy, I think it is because of both due curvature & refraction effect. If we go only go with earth curvature effect the correction is negative (Cc=-.0785d2) it means the line of sight go above the hill top "c".

and if we go with refraction effect than the correction is +tive (Cr=+(1/7)Cc) it means the line of sight gets deflected downward. For the above problem we consider both curvature & refraction effect which is (Cc+Cf)= -0.0673d2 it means the line sight gets deflected downward so the answer B is right.

and if we go with refraction effect than the correction is +tive (Cr=+(1/7)Cc) it means the line of sight gets deflected downward. For the above problem we consider both curvature & refraction effect which is (Cc+Cf)= -0.0673d2 it means the line sight gets deflected downward so the answer B is right.

Chibi said:
5 years ago

More than 18km, We should consider the curvature of earth.

Atea said:
6 years ago

More than curvature it would be due to refraction.

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