Verbal Reasoning - Syllogism - Discussion
Discussion Forum : Syllogism - Syllogism 1 (Q.No. 5)
Directions to Solve
In each of the following questions two statements are given and these statements are followed by two conclusions numbered (1) and (2). You have to take the given two statements to be true even if they seem to be at variance from commonly known facts. Read the conclusions and then decide which of the given conclusions logically follows from the two given statements, disregarding commonly known facts.
Give answer:
- (A) If only (1) conclusion follows
- (B) If only (2) conclusion follows
- (C) If either (1) or (2) follows
- (D) If neither (1) nor (2) follows and
- (E) If both (1) and (2) follow.
5.
Statements: Some papers are pens. All the pencils are pens.
Conclusions:
- Some pens are pencils.
- Some pens are papers.
Answer: Option
Explanation:
Discussion:
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Venky said:
1 decade ago
Simply saying : all pens are pencils and the sentence "Some pens are pencils "should be wrong.
Yamshi said:
1 decade ago
The middle term of the premise is not distributed so no conclusion can be drawn.
Shakambhari said:
1 decade ago
With the help of Venn diagram we got the correct answer without any doubt.
Jayageetha said:
1 decade ago
As per rules, no trivial (particular) solution can be drawn for this question. There can be many solutions like 1. All pencils are papers.
2. Some pencils are papers, 3. Some papers are pencils, 4. Some Pens are pencils and 5. Some pens are papers. Now, has the option been 'no conclusion can be drawn', then that would have been the clear answer. But since there are options which holds true for 2 of our conclusions (4&5) , we can say that both follows rather than saying neither follows.
2. Some pencils are papers, 3. Some papers are pencils, 4. Some Pens are pencils and 5. Some pens are papers. Now, has the option been 'no conclusion can be drawn', then that would have been the clear answer. But since there are options which holds true for 2 of our conclusions (4&5) , we can say that both follows rather than saying neither follows.
Ambika said:
1 decade ago
For me this kind of question should be avoided in any competitive exam because it create confusion. We may be drawn conclusion by venn diagram while the examiner drawn conclusion by syllogism and answers may be different. Finally we are the people who suffer.
Mohana priya savithri said:
1 decade ago
The first thing, in the rule of conversion do the following things.
1. All can be convert to some.
2. Some to some.
3. No to no.
Ex:.
1. All pens are paper (statement).
Conclusion: Some papers are pen (change the subject and predicate).
Here Subject is pens and predicate us paper.
2. Some pens are paper (statement).
Some papers are pens (conclusion).
3. No pen is paper (statement).
No paper is pen (conclusion).
So that both follows. Got it?
1. All can be convert to some.
2. Some to some.
3. No to no.
Ex:.
1. All pens are paper (statement).
Conclusion: Some papers are pen (change the subject and predicate).
Here Subject is pens and predicate us paper.
2. Some pens are paper (statement).
Some papers are pens (conclusion).
3. No pen is paper (statement).
No paper is pen (conclusion).
So that both follows. Got it?
Tribhuwan bahuguna said:
1 decade ago
I completely agree with @Mohana Priya Savithri, as she has rightly mentioned the correct way of using convergence formula. Simply if one will follow the same and go through it one will get the correct answer. As I did, so now no need to scratch much your brain :).
DEEPAK KUMAR A said:
1 decade ago
Ya I too agree with Mohana Priya Savithri, as subject and predicate can be interchanged in I patterned type. Both conclusion follows.
Rajesh Neelam said:
1 decade ago
Correct Answer D. I+I = no conclusion (neither).
Sumit said:
10 years ago
"Some pens are papers" is not possibility. It is definite conclusion and there is no direct relation between pen and paper so how is it correct. I think it follows only first sentence.
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