Verbal Reasoning - Syllogism - Discussion
Discussion Forum : Syllogism - Syllogism 1 (Q.No. 5)
Directions to Solve
In each of the following questions two statements are given and these statements are followed by two conclusions numbered (1) and (2). You have to take the given two statements to be true even if they seem to be at variance from commonly known facts. Read the conclusions and then decide which of the given conclusions logically follows from the two given statements, disregarding commonly known facts.
Give answer:
- (A) If only (1) conclusion follows
- (B) If only (2) conclusion follows
- (C) If either (1) or (2) follows
- (D) If neither (1) nor (2) follows and
- (E) If both (1) and (2) follow.
5.
Statements: Some papers are pens. All the pencils are pens.
Conclusions:
- Some pens are pencils.
- Some pens are papers.
Answer: Option
Explanation:
Discussion:
63 comments Page 2 of 7.
Arti said:
1 decade ago
By the rule of conversion 'some papers are pens' can be written as 'some pens are papers'. So conclusion (2) is correct. Now 'all the pencils are pens' can be written as 'some pencils are pens' that again written as 'some pens are pencils'. So conclusion (1) is also correct. So the answer is (e).
Swagata said:
1 decade ago
Firstly.
If we go according to the distributed and undistributed pattern. Since the middle term "pens" isnt distributed even once.
So the statements donot hav any conclusion.
Secondly,
I agree with anvitha. The word "pens", since common should not come in the conclusion.
If we go according to the distributed and undistributed pattern. Since the middle term "pens" isnt distributed even once.
So the statements donot hav any conclusion.
Secondly,
I agree with anvitha. The word "pens", since common should not come in the conclusion.
Tribhuwan bahuguna said:
1 decade ago
I completely agree with @Mohana Priya Savithri, as she has rightly mentioned the correct way of using convergence formula. Simply if one will follow the same and go through it one will get the correct answer. As I did, so now no need to scratch much your brain :).
Ambika said:
1 decade ago
For me this kind of question should be avoided in any competitive exam because it create confusion. We may be drawn conclusion by venn diagram while the examiner drawn conclusion by syllogism and answers may be different. Finally we are the people who suffer.
DINESH SINGH said:
9 years ago
According to figure it looks correct but when we think from formula point of view,
Some papers are pen.
All the pencil are pen.
There will be vertical cancellation so we count All + Some = No conclusion.
Is there anyone who can clear my doubt?
Some papers are pen.
All the pencil are pen.
There will be vertical cancellation so we count All + Some = No conclusion.
Is there anyone who can clear my doubt?
Kardy said:
8 years ago
Both, conclusion one and two follows. This is because if you reverse the sentence 'some paper are pens' you get 'some pens are papers' similarly if you reverse. 'all pencil are pens you get 'some pens are pencil'.
Sumit said:
10 years ago
"Some pens are papers" is not possibility. It is definite conclusion and there is no direct relation between pen and paper so how is it correct. I think it follows only first sentence.
Vinod said:
1 decade ago
From the syllogism rules the middle must be distributed at least once to draw the conclusion. But in this case the middle term is not distributed so we can't conclude from it.
Rajesh NRIIT said:
1 decade ago
Both the conclusions cannot follow because the middle term pens not distributed at least once in the premises and another one is conclusions does not contain middle term.
Kiran said:
1 decade ago
If we go according to the distributed and undistributed pattern.
Only Conclusion 2 follows.
Because middle term "pencils" is distributed from statement2.
Only Conclusion 2 follows.
Because middle term "pencils" is distributed from statement2.
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