# Verbal Reasoning - Syllogism - Discussion

Discussion Forum : Syllogism - Syllogism 1 (Q.No. 5)
Directions to Solve

In each of the following questions two statements are given and these statements are followed by two conclusions numbered (1) and (2). You have to take the given two statements to be true even if they seem to be at variance from commonly known facts. Read the conclusions and then decide which of the given conclusions logically follows from the two given statements, disregarding commonly known facts.

• (A) If only (1) conclusion follows
• (B) If only (2) conclusion follows
• (C) If either (1) or (2) follows
• (D) If neither (1) nor (2) follows and
• (E) If both (1) and (2) follow.

5.

Statements: Some papers are pens. All the pencils are pens.

Conclusions:

1. Some pens are pencils.
2. Some pens are papers.

Only (1) conclusion follows
Only (2) conclusion follows
Either (1) or (2) follows
Neither (1) nor (2) follows
Both (1) and (2) follow
Explanation:
Discussion:
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Anoimie said:   6 years ago
D is the answer as, pen is common and it is not distributive so no conclusion can be made.

Pushpanjali S said:   6 years ago
Middle term is not distributed so neither 1 or 2 follows.
(1)

Deepanshu Samdani said:   6 years ago
Neither 1 nor 2 follows, this should be the answer, because in sentence "Some papers are pens" : papers and both are not-distributed and in sentence "All the pencils are pens" : pencils is distributed and pens are not-distributed so, if the common predicate (here is pens) is not distributed at least one time, then we can not draw any conclusion.

So, option 4 (D) is correct.

Shalini gupta said:   6 years ago
Option E is correct.

Shouvik said:   7 years ago
@Anvita.

We are missing another fact that we check for distribution for the middle term only if a Conclusion is derived from the two statements! Since here both the conclusions are independently derived from a single statement, there is no reason for why should we look for middle term distribution. Accordingly, both statements follow here, so correct Option comes out to be E applying all the Aristotle's Rules. Thanks.

Kardy said:   7 years ago
Both, conclusion one and two follows. This is because if you reverse the sentence 'some paper are pens' you get 'some pens are papers' similarly if you reverse. 'all pencil are pens you get 'some pens are pencil'.

Aqil said:   7 years ago
Only conclusion 2 follow by 0, 1 method.

Parag said:   7 years ago

But option B is right, pencils only distributed in pen according to this, conclusion 2 is right.