Aptitude - Permutation and Combination - Discussion

Discussion Forum : Permutation and Combination - General Questions (Q.No. 12)
12.
How many 4-letter words with or without meaning, can be formed out of the letters of the word, 'LOGARITHMS', if repetition of letters is not allowed?
40
400
5040
2520
Answer: Option
Explanation:

'LOGARITHMS' contains 10 different letters.

Required number of words = Number of arrangements of 10 letters, taking 4 at a time.
= 10P4
= (10 x 9 x 8 x 7)
= 5040.

Discussion:
68 comments Page 6 of 7.

Vimal said:   1 decade ago
I am not clear with this. They gave a condition that repetition is not allowed. when we use 10p4, (i.e. is permutation) it satisfy the given condition?

Satish said:   1 decade ago
Please tell me that when we should use permutations and when we should combinations with an example?

Mini said:   1 decade ago
The formula we hv usd here is = n!/(P1!)(P2!)...(Pr!)
Here n=10(no. of letters) and P1,P2.. are the different letters of the word.
Then the no. of permutation of these 10 letters is
= 10!/(1!)(1!)..upto 10th letter [(1!)...upto 10th letter used bcoz each letter occured only once]
= 10*9*8*7 [bcoz we hv to make 4 letter words]
= 5040

Yazhini said:   1 decade ago
! implies that it is a multiplication sign up to 1. It is neither a permutation nor a combination. For ex 4! implies that 4*3*2*1=24. is it clear guy?

Shashwat said:   1 decade ago
Why permutation is used explain?

Vini said:   1 decade ago
Logarithms===> total= 10 alphabets.. okay
we have to form 4-letter words, without repeating the letters.
_ _ _ _
we have place for 4 alphabets
In 1st blank, out of 10, any1 of it can come,so we have 10 choices--->10
In 2nd blank, now,9 letters are left, out of 9 u can choose one---->10*9
In 3rd blank, now 8 left, i.e.--->10*9*8
In 4th blank, any remaining of 7 letters can come---> 10*9*8*7
= 5040

Motunrayo said:   1 decade ago
Please I want to know when to use combination and permutation.

Lydia said:   1 decade ago
It can also be done in another way.

Number of ways of selecting 4 letters from 10 letters=10C4
=(10*9*8*7)/4!

Number of ways of arranging these 4 letters =4P4=4!

So, total number of words formed= [(10*9*8*7)/4!]*4! = 10*9*8*7 = 5040

Am I correct?

Ashutosh Sharma said:   1 decade ago
Which formula is used to solve this problem?

Santhosh said:   1 decade ago
I have so much confusion at the answering problem,
"where we use the permutation formula and combination formula"?

Please anyone tell me.


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