Aptitude - Permutation and Combination - Discussion

Discussion Forum : Permutation and Combination - General Questions (Q.No. 12)
12.
How many 4-letter words with or without meaning, can be formed out of the letters of the word, 'LOGARITHMS', if repetition of letters is not allowed?
40
400
5040
2520
Answer: Option
Explanation:

'LOGARITHMS' contains 10 different letters.

Required number of words = Number of arrangements of 10 letters, taking 4 at a time.
= 10P4
= (10 x 9 x 8 x 7)
= 5040.

Discussion:
68 comments Page 2 of 7.

Krishna Kumar said:   7 years ago
Formula for Permutation nPr= n!/(n-r!)
For 10P4= 10!/(10-4!).
=> 10!/6!.
=>10x9x8x7x6x5x4x3x2x1
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6x5x4x3x2x1
=>6x5x4x3x2x1 in both numerator and denominator will get cancelled.

Hence 10x9x8x7=5040.

Karthik Achery said:   7 years ago
The given word consists of 10 letters.

No letters are repeated
we have to form a four-letter word and letters should not be repeated so;
_ _ _ _
Consider 4th place we have now 10 letters and one place to fill, So 10C1 possibilities are there
Now consider 3rd place we have 9 letters(one already used)and one place to fill, so 9C1 possibilities are there.

Now consider 2nd place we have 8 letters and one place to fill, so 8C1 possibilities are there
similarly, for 1st place, 7C1 possibilities are there.

Now multiplying them =10C1x9C1x8C1x7C1=10x9x8x7=5040.

Shree said:   7 years ago
Thanks for explaining the solution.

ARVIND said:   7 years ago
How 4 comes? Please explain.

Nithesh said:   8 years ago
There is not repetition getting, Logarithm all the words are different.

So permutations are taken.

Am I right?

Satadru said:   8 years ago
If repetitions is allowed the formula would be 10^4.

Bmnt said:   8 years ago
What is the answer if repetition is allowed?

Navya said:   8 years ago
If the letters can be repeated then the answer would be 10^4.

Because if the word is _ _ _ _.

The 1st blank can be filled in 10 ways.

The 2nd blank can be filled in 10 ways again (since letters can be repeated).

Similarly, 3rd and 4th blanks can also be filled in 10 ways.

So, according to the fundamental principle the number of ways =10*10*10*10=10^4.

Navya said:   8 years ago
Firstly we have to check if any alphabet is repeated in the word "LOGARITHMS".

No, alphabets is repeated so it can be treated as any other general case. We are using permutation because it is not just the selection of 4 alphabets from the given word but the rearrangement of these alphabets in order to form a word (given: The words may or may not have any meaning). Now there are 10 alphabets & we must find out the number of 4 lettered words that can be formed which can be done in 10p4 ways. We need not multiply with 4! because have already considered the rearrangements (i.e usage of the concept of permutations).

Vidya said:   8 years ago
I agree @Ankur.

It is first we are selecting 4 letter from 10 letters.

i.e. C (10, 4) = 210.

Then arranging 4 letter in different ways. i.e. 4!= 24.

Therefore, it is selecting and arranging (combination of permutation and combination) =210 * 24 = 5040.


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