Aptitude - Alligation or Mixture - Discussion

Discussion Forum : Alligation or Mixture - General Questions (Q.No. 14)
14.
8 litres are drawn from a cask full of wine and is then filled with water. This operation is performed three more times. The ratio of the quantity of wine now left in cask to that of water is 16 : 65. How much wine did the cask hold originally?
18 litres
24 litres
32 litres
42 litres
Answer: Option
Explanation:

Let the quantity of the wine in the cask originally be x litres.

Then, quantity of wine left in cask after 4 operations = x 1 - 8 4  litres.
x

x(1 - (8/x))4 = 16
x 81

1 - 8 4 = 2 4
x 3

x - 8 = 2
x 3

3x - 24 = 2x

x = 24.

Discussion:
96 comments Page 7 of 10.

Rattle said:   1 decade ago
@Prajakt
the soln. assumes in the 1st line that the original quantity of wine be x. the question says the wine removed is replaced with water(obviously, in equal amount). Since we assume x as wine quantity, this replaced water quantity is also x.

Reeya said:   1 decade ago
I think the question is wrong. I know it can never be said as an excuse, but if the the ratio of wine remaining to that of water is 16:65, then we can take the denominator, wine originally as x.

i.e., (x (1-8/x) ^4) / (x) = 16/ (16+65) = 16/81.

Correct me if I am wrong.

Shree said:   1 decade ago
Awesome rachit.

Rachit Sharma said:   1 decade ago
Intial wine = x.
After 8 units are pulled out, (x-8) units of pure wine remains.
In fractions, ((x-8)/8) = (1-(8/x)) of the initial content x remains after the first pullout.
After the second pullout, (1-(8/x)) of the previous amount is left, i.e.- (1-(8/x)) of (1-(8/x)) of x = (1-(8/x))^2 of x.
In the same way, after n such pullouts, the fraction of wine left will be (1-(8/x))^n.
And the amount of pure wine left will be x*(1-(8/x))^n.

This part is well understood. But why was the above quantity divided by x, while the question reported the ratio as that of leftover pure wine to water? I am finding it hard to understand the logic behind this. Or is it wrong?

Himanshu said:   1 decade ago
Well explained Bappa.

Bappa said:   1 decade ago
Lets wine x
after 1st time wine remain x-8
now ratio of wine:water x-8:8
so 2nd time wine removed=(x-8)*(8/x)
after 2nd time wine remain=(x-8)-(x-8)*(8/x)
=(x-8){1-8/x}
=x(1-8/x)(1-8/x)
=x(1-8/x)^2
.........
for n time removaline remain=x(1-8/x)^n.

Chitwanjit said:   1 decade ago
How come it get divided by x, While it should be quantity of water ? Alternate way can be dividing by x and putting in 16/97 instead of 16/81.

Sudheer said:   1 decade ago
Its 3 more times not "more then three times" so we used mul.

Mayank said:   1 decade ago
Please tell what is the mean of performs operations more then three times. And why multiply x.

Mamta said:   1 decade ago
Hi priya, thanks 4 giving formula can you explain why it is divded by x, why not by quantity of water.


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