Six Billion and One Bronze!
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Pritishree said:
(Tue, May 28, 2013 01:04:15 PM)
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| Six billions and one bronze, has to be, in a country with world's second largest population, talent is obviously not missing! what is missing is the proper scrutiny. Our country needs a proper functioning and autonomous body for all kind of sports other than cricket. Cricket should be given less prominence. Every sport should given proper attention, it's high time that the cricket fever was down. How many of us were actually watching the Olympics and CWG? and to add to it, we had this CAG scam in which number of politicians were charged. Our country has a lot of money and scopes as well, but nepotism and corruption are not allowing them to be properly streamlined. The only solutions out are a proper independent committee and more commitment towards sports. |
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Shivam Wahi said:
(Wed, May 22, 2013 01:02:32 PM)
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"6 billions and 1 bronze" It means that after doing really hard one is getting only few. This topic is not only about our sports but it is about our whole life. As we can see that our country is still developing why is it so.
If we talk about the games and athletics It is not because that we don't have the talent and we are not hard working, It's because we are not given the proper training. From proper training I mean to say that mostly foreigner trainers are present in games and athletics. This causes a selfishness that "why should I train to the Indian team let my country win". So with this thinking in mind these trainers or coaches do not give the proper training to Indian people.
Talking about the developement of our country we are still following the US. , China, Why? because our country is filled with corruption, Big-small, Rich-poor which creates selfishness among people of India. That is why nobody wants that other person gets success. This causes after trying very very hard people get only few.
So to have a developed country we should not be selfish only then we'll get more after doing hard work. |
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Ragini Singh said:
(Sun, May 12, 2013 06:37:57 PM)
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Six billion and one bronze. Yes India is a huge populated country. We have talked about everyone, their mistakes, our mistakes. But why don't we focus on the solution for this major problem where though India is blessed with talented personalities yet is not able to transform itself into developed country. India is having many big bollywood stars, many entrepreneurs, many NGOs are also into an act. They can contribute for the society. They can encourage people to come forward and do something for their country. As a citizen we also have responsibilities.
For the future we are going to become parents of a child. Here its our chance to vow for the betterment of this country. After all its we and our family who is going to reside in this country. We should understand that Indians have such capability that can help them to conquer the world even. Today USA seeks employees from our country INDIA. If we take a pledge that our talent and our skills will be used only for our people then no one can stop to call India as DEVELOPED COUNTRY. As per my view if 6 billion converts to 6 bronze then who will dare to think of attacking on us or competing with us. |
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Anonymus said:
(Mon, Mar 18, 2013 01:59:34 PM)
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After reading the entire discussion all I could learn was many are pointing out the politicians and rest other are talking about the fault in the system, while there is another group who is talking about the game cricket. Here I just want to ask everybody one question, How many of us go out during elections and vote? How do you cast your vote by looking the face of the minister or by looking the work he/she has done? Why everybody is just talking about the cricket game and not about others?
Our ministers are the person whom we choose and its all our fault that Indian political system is full of corrupts and wrong politicians, take an example of country like USA people choose that person to lead them who thinks about the public first and then about himself but here in India the votes are caste on the basis of payment. During recent elections my driver told that he voted for XYZ party cause they were giving everybody who is voting Rs. 500/-, its not his fault here also the fault is ours only cause all the literate people are busy sitting in their ac villa and bungalows and enjoying the money where as the illiterate and poor people are going out and casting their votes.
Coming to games why curse cricket everybody celebrates when India wins a match but nobody even remember the name of a single hockey player, not to forget that hockey is our national game, when we only won't show any interest in games politicians will also play towards cricket cause they know people will see cricket match and they will gain popularity by going and looking into matters of that particular game, and popularity will give them votes.
Returning back to the topic six billion and one bronze means the talent which is present in our country of six billion its just that one person is having the talent to come up and fight for the country India is a leading giant in the software, companies are coming from abroad and taking the talent why that is not utilized in India, India is a land of opportunity and filled with talented people its just that talent is to be nurtured and focused then only India will transform from developing country to developed country and all this can be done only when we have this courage to stand up for ourselves or have this courage to elect the correct person. Think what we are doing and then and only then we will be six billion gold and one. |
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Priyanka C. More said:
(Fri, Sep 21, 2012 12:51:48 AM)
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| According to me, we are the one who should go and approach to government about our needs. It s not at all government's mistake. What we really want in our life definitely we will be receiving it. As it says " where there is a WILL there is a WAY". Think yourself in that "ONE BRONZE" place and you are almost there. If people start thinking in this way I believe that there will be more number of BRONZE, and even GOLD. |
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Mickey Kumar said:
(Sat, Sep 1, 2012 10:02:31 AM)
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| From my thinking, In India their is a more corruption and this is because of politicians. India has a more talented persons but few come in picture because of lack of encouragement which is necessary for every persons. By the encouragement normal persons can be switched into the talented persons by practicing. But India does not have that environment. Mostly Indian parents desires for their child to be a doctor, engineer not anything else. And during the olympics 2012 their was a few sportsmans achived a bronze medal and not one got a gold medal. This is totally because of lack of encouragement. India government have also selected a persons which is from their kins. So, this is also the cause of lower talented persons. Besides, Indian government should make authority to Respective Indian Sports players to select a person for the respective sports. And there should be a lot of provisions for the player which would encourage to everyone participate in their respective games. And India which we forgotten many games, this would create a interest in every sportsmen and our youth revived their talents. |
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Atul said:
(Sat, Aug 25, 2012 01:55:04 AM)
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| India leads in population but is in bottom of medal tally. Who is responsible for this? we people only, we talk about India's poor show in olympics but how much we encourage it. We even don't know about much games other than cricket. In our country sports is not given equal respect as studies. From beginning our parents, school doesnt give much emphasis on sports as to studies. |
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Pratap said:
(Mon, Aug 20, 2012 08:12:13 PM)
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| As we have all ready seen most of the topic have been covered by my friends, but there is one important thing that has not discussed is media coverage. We usually see media does not give much attention to other sports comparatively cricket. So media has very important role in promoting other sports. Its all because of media vijender singh, abhinav bindra, etc they came in lime light. They inspire people to join particular sport. |
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Chandrasekar Kalasalingam University said:
(Wed, Aug 1, 2012 01:57:20 PM)
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Six billion but one bronze. All due to us. We are responsible for that. Not only us INDIAN GOVERNMENT also. Parent always concentrate their child in studies. They didn't encourage their child to participate in sport. Off-course some of the parent will encourage their child to participate in sport. And they playing for INDIA.
We have to take our own interest to participate in sports up to that you can blame others. Sitting at home and critizing is very easy one unless we play there.
Government is also major fact for this. They are not giving fair amount of salary for those who plays for India or for their particular state. They didn't coach their players well. No need of foreign coaches required. Indian coaches are well enough to train.
Government should support them. Bichung bhutia (former Indian football captain) said "India in football world-cup may happens after 800 years from here". There are lot of young talent in India. The Government and their parent should encourage them.
In china, America& Australia etc there are separate schools for gymnastics, swimming and some other sports events. They practice throughout the day (24*7). So they bags lots of medal in Olympics. Indians too had lots of talent. And they will do it for India. |
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K.Abraham said:
(Sun, Jul 29, 2012 01:46:24 PM)
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If at all if there are was a sports like corruption or how to excel in politics India would have bagged the maximum gold. The politicians do not encourage or care for for sports. Proper infrastructure is not provide and the Sports Authority do not have people who have any background in sports. Everyone sits at the top for money.
Foreign coaches and also proper training is not provided at the highest level except for cricket. Of late a foreign coach has been provided in hockey and it is providing results. This itself is a lesson to be learnt by our authorities at the highest level. There is no lack of talent in a country like country like India there is a huge population of six billion people. If India is excelling in cricket then that person is applauded. I do not why foreign coaches are not provided in other sports and foreign physios. |
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Chandana said:
(Fri, Jul 20, 2012 10:12:02 PM)
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| All which we thing will not happen. All our youngester wish to be like a hero in the world like sachin tendulkar, yuvaraj singh. In our school girls are not getting their chance for any of their competitions. Live about girls, what about boys only one single team for cricket. First our government should have some knowledge in other sports our than cricket yet many of us don't know more information about cricket. Some things that when some guy spins the ball towards a guy he just swings the bat and when ball is flunged in air another guy will catch it some of them things this way. All should be changed in our country. Only one thing we can do is to pray to god that some miracle will happen in our country. |
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Arvindh said:
(Sat, Jul 14, 2012 10:02:08 AM)
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| A very good topic we must analyze. India have a large pool of talented players in all forms of sports but why India is last at Olympic medals tally is a big question that is run in our mind. It is because of Indian politics plays a vital role. No proper coaching for good players and not proper encouragement to all our athletes. This is major reason that affecting our Indian sports. Our sport policies taken by govt must be change this will help us to improve our sports condition well. |
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Abhishek said:
(Tue, Jul 10, 2012 11:08:43 AM)
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| First of all I would like to say please don't blame politician. It is our fault. Why we voted them. The second thing is please stop blaming others for wrong reasons. If you have the will power you will get what you want. And the third thing if we want to change the system then we have to change ourselves first. We should promote our child whatever they want to do. Don't force them and don't discourage them. Encourage them in their likes. |
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Shreshtha said:
(Sun, Jun 17, 2012 01:24:10 PM)
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I think We should not blame government, its one's individual effort. Problem arises in our family. All parents want to make their child an engineering, doctor not a sportsman and this discouragement from their own family not let the talented child or sportsman to achieve their goal and win hundreds of medal.
Encouragement and support from family as well as others are also important to motivate the talented person.
Sometimes due to financial problem also the poor children cannot able to reach and participate the national level competition even they are talented, so here Government has to provide some facilities and infrastructure for the poor people. |
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Vinothkumar said:
(Sat, Jun 16, 2012 10:15:12 AM)
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| Ya I accept of all your points, in reasoning in Punjab our favourite cricket player Yuvaraj sing was affected by a cancer is all we know, the Punjab government give the money for is treatment, but the same Punjab girl (athletic) affected by cancer, who's for is play for is state and our national the government thus not give any congestion or money to the girl for treatment. Hear we note one point the person who know the situation only to solve the problem, the politicians thus not know the games, but our Indian players are how to find the good and well players for games, so the the sports committee are organised by only the good players in all sports and that committee thus not under any government. That only we make shine in our sports, and also our encourage is also important. |
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Nayeem said:
(Wed, Mar 21, 2012 02:54:09 PM)
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As an Indian we should first draw a thick line between politics, money and sports. To bring every thing on right track, politics, money use and sports should be very transparent. Until these three things are not transparent and free from money flood, we should be ready to accept such result.
Let me now discuss these three majors are getting mixed with each other and how can we avoid it into three points :
1. Politics : There isn't any thing left like patriotism in politician now. Money is all which is driving all our politicians (vote for money is recent major scam). There is huge influence of politics in sports too, due to which our true sportsmen are missing. Politician plan well not to promote good talented, but their own kins. Also, sports management and conduction has merely became a another way of filling pocket in quick time (CWG the recent scam). Now the question is how can we over come from this curse.. Answer is establishment of transparent policies, and selection of sportsmen should be through that channel only (example : there should be an independent body which should select and promote deserved sportsmen like Election Commission where govt. can't do anything)
2. Money : Money should be used in its best possible way. Money earned from Cricket must also be shared with other sports in creation of other sports infrastructure, payments for sportsmen. We know that India has most revenue from Cricket, but money earned from it should be shared in other sports. We have to think in all directions in all sports bodies.
3. Sports : We as Indian should think in giving respect and support for other sports also, so that our players in other sports get encouragement. Also, we should change our angle of thinking towards hard work. To defend this hard work point i would like to ask a question, why indian batting is far better (one of the best in world) than indian bowling? Answer is : we don't want to do hard work. Right from childhood we appraise a player who hits a six, but give very less appraise ( or I can say nil) to a bowler who has sweat a lot to take a precious wicket. So, in India every wants to become batsmen but nobody wants to become bowler. We want everything without doing much effort.
To summarize my view all I can say is until unless we bring a lot of changes in view and approach we are not going to get anything except this result of one bronze being world's second largest in population. |
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Muthu said:
(Sun, Jan 22, 2012 12:44:23 PM)
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| I can surely say, that cricket is not the main reason for not getting good players on other games, there are still many talented youth bloods are there to make our country proud in sports, the only thing is. How much people are supporting and encouraging that particular game, and if likely politicians donate something to the athletes and other sports persons. Surely this can change. |
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Utkarsh Maurya said:
(Fri, Jan 20, 2012 06:25:04 AM)
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| The politicians and the sports policies of India are the root cause of this. Some days back, there was a meeting at Indian olympic association to discuss the preparations of the upcoming olympics. The meeting was conducted for full 6 hours and only one sentence to the meeting agenda was said by an officer. "hum achha perform karenge". The whole meeting was full of politics and everyone there was more interested in retaining their posts. This is just a small example. This careless attitude towards olympics is the root cause of our humiliation there. Besides this, there are not state-of-art training facilities. |
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Saibhushan said:
(Thu, Nov 17, 2011 12:39:31 PM)
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Hi to all, and i'm happy to discuss on this topic.
First of all i want to say don't blame our country and our politics.
because we are the people who elects our politicians,the first mistake is with in us.
and second thing is that
do we really encourage olympic's?
No,
HOW MANY OF U SAW THE BEIJING OLYMPICS AND THE CRICKET WORLD CUP 2011 ???
the answer is in your silence.
and coming to our government ANNOUNCES 1 CRORE FOR YUVARAJ SINGH FOR HITTING 6 SIXES.
Till now any government of india announces single np for any hockey player and its our national game..
it is very sad to say our hockey players get RS/2100 per match and our cricket player will get 2 lacks per match.
Unless we don't have certain encouragement WE WONT ABLE GET SUCCESS IN LIFE.
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Tani Ray said:
(Sun, Aug 21, 2011 09:02:36 PM)
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| This itself shows that are "system is just not happening"! if you see the olympics medals tally India is way way behind. Other sports apart from just cricket should be taken seriously. Hockey for instance is our national game. Don't you think it should be changed to cricket rather. Why is that only when somebody bags a medal that then he/she is highlighted? abhinav bindra was showered with money after his victory at the olymics. But he is already such a rich guy, why spend so much on him?ther are so many poor athletes who need sponsors. Do they ever get it?the government should really concentrate on the struggling athletes, they should be given proper ground to nurture there talents. Proper coaching should be provided. If this done properly there may be a day soon we see India rising up at the medals tally. |
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Raman Jain said:
(Wed, Aug 10, 2011 10:40:41 PM)
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I also believe that this is an important area to be discussed. Prima-facie I also thought that the reason why India is not being good at Olympics is because of the fact that Indian talent is unable to find the right place, right infrastructure, right mentor who can provide right direction. But when I gave a second thought, I found that the resources are available in abundance, the problem is with the utilization of these resources. If we say that finance is a major hurdle then it would be wrong to say so. The reason being the today India has a great Tax Collections, it has huge forex reserves and many more. But the problem is with our political system in which corruption has got its deep roots.
At once I thought why this corruption has got such a place in our country, society or even in our lives. After analyzing for long I found that it has got such place because its the way one could get MONEY in a quick time. But then the question comes why do we need this quick money. The reason could be COMPARISON.
We always get into an unwanted race of proving ourself better or superior than others. And when we find that we are behind, we start taking shortcuts to succeed. And slowly, this leads to a path which at a later stage is known as CORRUPTION.
So to end up this, I can say first we should change ourselves and rest will be done by our acts. |
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Rajat Arora said:
(Sun, Aug 7, 2011 09:37:36 PM)
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Its very shameful to say that India won just a single medal. There is not a lack of talent in India. As we can see in cricket so much talented players are there (sachin tendulkar, rahul dravid, m. S dhoni. ) why?resion is facilities provided to them!
As in olympics abhinav bindra won a gold medal by getting a good training from his coach. He is a rich person but not every talent of India is rich. I think that is the resion of india's pitty position in olyampics. |
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K. Karnani said:
(Sun, Aug 7, 2011 07:24:39 PM)
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| What I believe is that at present there are many talents in India but they are not able to participate at the international level just because of financial conditions. It was in the past that parents did not allow their children to participate in sports and aim it as his/her carrier. Today even parents are encouraging their children to participate in sports and other extra curricular activities along with studies. It is just because of money they are not able to disclose their talent I n front of the world. Even though India is a developing country and there are many millionares or billionares like Mittal, Ambani, Tata, Birla, etc. Still the poor are poorer. So, the talent cannot come forward. Thus, the requirement is that all the Indians should get united and try to encourage talent and help those talents who have financial problems so that India can also compete with the rest of the world and be in the top position. |
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Amalkiran said:
(Fri, Aug 5, 2011 09:54:53 AM)
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| India is next to china in population. Even small countries are able bag the medals, its quite embarazzing when India bagged only one bronze medal. Whose mistake?its the selection committe?, or pollitics? or lack of talent in india, I feel it a pity to tell its only our dirty politics. Even though so many resources are present the respective ministers are not able to regulate them in a proper way. |
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Saku said:
(Thu, May 5, 2011 12:12:31 AM)
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| One of the nice topic, it must be discussed in every field. Our country has large population and so many talented persons are there. But one thing is that every parents give much attention to their children's study but noone can give scope to their children for sports. If govt give some special attention to sports from primary label then parent and media all give attention towards the sports. |
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Vikas said:
(Thu, Feb 24, 2011 02:15:48 AM)
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| In this materialistic world everyone thinks about money and they want to invest or want to sponsor only those sports and game which in return give them a huge profit.These people doesn't understand the spirit of the game and feelings of the players and society that's why the real talents are not discovered from this huge populated country and those players can't perform well in the international games........ |
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Riti said:
(Wed, Feb 2, 2011 10:55:33 PM)
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In my opinion we are the nation of the billion but at the time to get the medals we are fail behind this their are several reasons to led down the growing players. Mostly when a good players want to become international player in their sports he does not have enough capital to buy a expensive tools because most of the sports tools are to expensive they can't afford these tools.
The another reason is that most of the parents in India want their child become become engineer, docter, lawyer etc. They treated sports as a hobby not as a carrier. They think that their child want to go to spoil her/him future in sports then they do not allow to play any sports yo their child.
But when we talk about the other nation which have a population half of less then the India. They doing well in sports because in that nation sports is treated carrier and the players are indulged in their sports from the childhood that why they are getting medals and that makes a large differance. |
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Kailash Singh said:
(Thu, Jan 13, 2011 03:39:00 PM)
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people does not have passion and craze for other sports as they have cricket.The reason is ,other games are not well promoted in school and collages properly.As result a few people gets success and that too bronze.
The other reason is that we could not produce success in other games so they automatically not admired. |
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Sameera said:
(Thu, Dec 30, 2010 01:39:17 AM)
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Yes this is important topic to be discussed .We have many talented people in all fields.But the problem lies in the fact that importance is given to one sport mainly cricket.Of course we should encourage cricket but at the same time we should give equal importance to other sports also.We cant forget or neglect our national game 'Hockey' .Its sad that almost all from young generation prefer cricket first than others.Young generation should know more about all the games other than cricket in India.
Even medias are giving importance to certain games only.They should also treat all games as equal for the growth of other sports in our country.Young generation always find a glamorous world in many sports.So all medias should equally popularize all sports here in our country.
Another point is lack of infrastructure provided to other games.Financial support for other sports is less when compared to others.This also include lack of coaching centers and good trainers for other sports.Even the sponsorship given to other games is less when compared to cricket.
Most of the young talented guys in other sports are from financially poor background.they are not able to go forward due to this.Fair financial support should be given by the government to overcome the problems faced by them and to go ahead.
In context of commonwealth games which took place recently its clear that there should be good governing board to promote each and every sport ,or otherwise this will all end up in political game,thus badly affecting growth of sports
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Ram said:
(Tue, Dec 21, 2010 10:38:32 AM)
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| I think lack of coaching centres in india is the main reason for this.because many poor children are really good and talented in sports but due to poor coaching they could not showcase their talents at the higher levels and shine.so government should take necessary steps to overcome this.By providing good coaching centres with well trained coachers will definitely improve the talent and skills of poor children who are willing to come up in sports. |
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Sudhakar Mishra said:
(Wed, Sep 29, 2010 02:19:49 AM)
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| Why to blame politics after all they are from within us. Not from out side. One side we say politics is corrupt and keeping blaming but other side what we do to stop it. Today if we are not getting reputation in international sport world than Blind Professionalism is responsible for than not our political system. |
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Karishamasadhana said:
(Thu, Sep 23, 2010 04:26:01 AM)
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Its really an integral topic to be discussed as we are in edge to conduct commonwealth games. We have a lot of young emerging talents. The politicians who are at the top of the sports bodies needs to be eliminated, who are not having any sporting background. The talents from poor background should be encouraged and given opportunity to represent our country. Here we are celebrating cricket which has lot of sponsors. But we fail to give importance to our national game hockey. Which polluted the India's global image during the hockey world cup.
The talent should be given preference. Rather than to any other background. If we could give importance to every sport means India will certainly add more golds to its tally. In the coming Olympics. And any other global tournaments. |
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Deepak said:
(Fri, Aug 27, 2010 02:04:00 PM)
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| I agree with Tasneem. This is the fact in India that noone wants to make his/her career in Sports except cricket because they are not earning money for them. And this is common human psychology that we don't want to do that thing in which we are not getting any results (in terms of money). So for it the Government should make the sports field remunerative. In it media should come forward to make others sports like our national game i.e., Hockey popularise between youngsters and personalities from glamour world should also come forward to encourage youth for sports as today's youth idolise them. |
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Saurabh said:
(Sun, Jul 25, 2010 03:39:12 AM)
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Ya its a really a sad story that a country which ranks 2nd in terms of population in the world just brings one medal in the Olympics.
This is mainly because of lack of infrastructure being provided for the development of other sports besides cricket also people should turn their attention to other games rather than cricket and also the media should play a important role in the promotion of other sports. |
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Tasneem said:
(Wed, Jul 14, 2010 12:20:31 AM)
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This is just like the question, " Which came first, the egg or the hen?" as we can neither blame the politicians or the sportspersons. Politicians are more concerned about their party and votes. On the other hand there are only few daring youngsters who go for sports as their careers. In India, any sports other than cricket is considered as waste of money, time and life by many of the parents. They always want their kids to become engineers and doctors. Children who are good at sports are discouraged by their parents. The worst part is, when a person faces all the ordeals and determines to come up as a sportsperson, there would be no sponsors for him at all.
Recently, a young tennis player got a chance to go abroad and play tennis but the passport authority failed to provide him with a visa.
So, we cannot blame a specific group of people for the lack of sportspersons in India. Instead we can encourage the upcoming talents and expect them to bring glory to India in various sports. |
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Sengottu said:
(Tue, Jul 13, 2010 01:17:30 PM)
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In india having more than 100 croces but no one get their medal in olympics. In our school life particular person only able to participate in games.. bcz they are frequent contact with physical dept so they select and went.. Dis way happen in college life..
Many students having talent but there background is poor.. |
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Amrinder Singh said:
(Tue, Jul 6, 2010 03:27:53 AM)
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Don't blame only the politics. We are lacking of winning youth in our country. Hard Determination to excel has vanished from their mind because of Hip Hop and Western Life Style ( only followed in Dressing & odd Relationships). Rememnber Great Milkha Singh, P.T.Usha, Dhanraj Pillay who just kept working hard to make it.
We can donate to Swamis and Deras but cannot contribute for deserving sportsmen at our level where politics has nothing to do with. We also have to take the responsibilty as politicians do not increase the population at 1 child / 2 second. We have to blame ourseleves that increasing population is snatching sources and opppurtunities. |
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Vignesh Bharathi said:
(Thu, Jul 1, 2010 07:57:00 AM)
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This is really a good topic to be discussed .Our country has large number of youth but one gold in Olympic. It does not mean that there is no talented persons. The reason is that their talent is not used properly. At present if we take the sports famous personalities like Sania, Saina, Naren and others, they have a good economical background, hence they go up easier.
There are many champions in our country among us and their economy is very bad. Suppose if they come up by adjusting the situation, the next one is our politics and politicians.
The higher officials in the field of sports are person who dont know about sports.If the situation changes we will be the toppers in this field too.
There is another way also the famous sports personalities can sponser the juniors who are economically bad with full interest and skill. If they do so we can achieve in sports also... |
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Prabhakaran said:
(Mon, Jun 28, 2010 09:11:24 AM)
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Yes. In India every sports club having president, but if you see his sports background definitely it will be zero because they are politicians. They doesn't know anything about the game but they selecting teams. They give importance only to their friends and other party members.
The best solution is eradicate politics from sports and give importance to talents, then definitely six billion people 100 golds. |
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Ramanthan. T said:
(Fri, Jun 11, 2010 03:30:02 PM)
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| For this topic I would blame Indian politics, because we are having more population, more brilliant people than so many countries. But our Indian politics is going back of money. So we lost so many medals not only in sport and other too. If they all working for nation and not going back of money our India will be the first in all the place with in a year. |
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